Seriously guys, why shouldn’t we hold everything up to the light of scripture. . You write in another of your posts, “Although I immensely enjoy the very academic side of things (theology and all that jazz). David, I’m running out of time so I’ll end with this… You’ve got an Amazing talent and a great understanding of scripture… Use it bro! Deep calleth unto deep. What I will say is that the evidence is scant for the interpretation adopted by the writers of “Deep Cries Out”. Whilst I’m not about to agree with everything that Bethel does, I will acknowledge that there are things they do right and if they are truly in the family of God, I can love them without agreeing with everything that they teach just as Christ loved me without agreeing with anything that I did. Whether they feel hungry and want to eat or want to go out and even attract your attention, you need to understand that a cat’s deep meow expresses the needs of the cat as a love. Transcript of interview with the writer – http://bethelmusic.com/blog/2011/09/08/message-behind-hopes-anthem, Newspaper article of interview with the writer –http://www.christiantoday.com/article/hopes.anthem.an.interview.with.william.matthews/28518.htm, http://nelsoncowan.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/deep-cries-out-trivializing-worship-or.html, Bible Study Tools Commentary Search –http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/treasury-of-david/psalms-42-7.html. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. What do you mean I am blind? I do not have a problem with Ezekiel 47 or Romans 8. Another group of well-dressed people (spectators) were looking on. It’s about a broader, systemic problem with poorly crafted worship songs that don’t communicate truth. I need the meaning also to help others to understand. I’m not saying this as a cheap debater’s trick or to win browning points with you. I want to impress upon you that there is no safer place to disagree or to differ in opinion than within the loving community of Christ, whose grace is sufficient for us all. I tried to continue with my day but I knew I would not find rest until I find the words if this song. IF they are truly… Yikes! We’re going Jump Jump Jump Jump in the river, Make her … Maybe you will then understand why this song added to what the Lord is ministering to my spirit and most probably to others as well. Specifically concerning “Deep Cries Out”…How does it apply to this statement? What is disconcerting is how “Deep calls out to deep” which does come from Psalm 42 is interpreted. What is the ONE AND ONLY thing that will save us from God’s “Severe dealings”? I want everyone to know that I am not writing this up because I have a bone to pick with Bethel. I would like to leave with a blessing: Ehesians 1:17-23Amplified Bible (AMP). Romans 14:4 “Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? silently... is that. To bathe, and enjoy and saturate ourselves in the word, in the presence of Jesus. You’ve got a forum to do so…with an apparent following… and an apparent gift! 21 Far above all rule and authority and power and dominion and every name that is named [above every title that can be conferred], not only in this age and in this world, but also in the age and the world which are to come. I'm not the type to get upset and cry 'Cause I never leave my heart open Never hurts me to say goodbye. Moreover, ambiguous song lyrics prove time and time again to be a pathetic witness. I say these things because I am convinced that they are true and I am called to speak the truth in love. (We’ve never met each other and so I completely understand if you can’t believe me on this point.) Oscar Wilde. And, Who better to refine us than Jesus, The Word? I genuinely agree with you that many churches are dead in their worship. I’m just as messed up and in need of grace as everyone else. I get the idea of going deeper with God, but the reference to Psalm 42:7 just doesn’t make sense when you look at the context. Maybe it is that the person is in a deep, dark place crying out to God. It is necessary for you to stand before Caesar; and behold, God has given you all those who are sailing with you. Deep cries out, As bride of Christ we must set the example to the world to just abandon all our wordly expectations and that of others, and just JUMP INTO THE RIVER of God, to flow with His Spirit as He guides and leads us, to show the others what it is like and to inspire them to do the same. I genuinely care about you as individuals and your theology and your walk with God, not in a condescending way but as your equal. I have to disagree with you. I don’t want anyone to misunderstand and I want you all to come to your own conclusions, asking the Spirit to give you a discerning heart. I do know that three themes ring strong with me when it comes to this song. I remember one time while we at church singing, and my daughter started crying. They distort Scripture, facilitate idolatry and are an unbiblical stumbling block to outsiders from coming to saving faith in Jesus Christ. Cancel. In the absence of a clear exposition by the writers of this song, the ambiguous lyrics lend themselves to all manner of interpretations, each ostensibly as valid as the other. First of all, thank you so much for the apparent attitude with which you shared this. Deep cries out to deep cries out to You. I believe the Lord is urging us as the body of Christ and as His bride to stand together, to not get hung up on details but to stay in step and to move forward with His Spirit as He guides and leads us BUT WITH THANKSGIVING AND JOY as one body, not with grumbling and disunity. David (Extenebrasluxx), thank you for this post… it’s amazing how God will use different people from different backgrounds to bring clarity. I came across this discussion this morning and if it was not for the series of things happening over the last 5 days, I would never dream of commenting. You don’t need a Masters in Sacred Music and you don’t need a PhD in Psalmodic literature. Greetings from the Western Cape, South Africa, go rip the latter day aints. I so avidly desired to write about what’s been on my heart lately (my friend would call it “down to earth stuff”).” In the same way that what’s on your heart may not be 100% infallible (without error) neither is the hearts of the other writers being attacked and for that matter…neither was the Psalmist, David etc…. There is a one song in particular that I cry every time I hear it, but everyone else says it is supposed to be a happy song. >>>>>> TRUST THE LORD TO STEER YOUR SHIP IN DARKNESS AND IN A STORM, DONT DROP ANCHORS IN FEAR AND BE STUCK IN ONE PLACE, TRUST HIM, MOVE FORWARD WITH HIM, 30 And as the sailors were trying to escape [secretly] from the ship and were lowering the small boat into the sea, pretending that they were going to lay out anchors from the bow, 31 Paul said to the centurion and the soldiers, Unless these men remain in the ship, you cannot be saved. And then we are at a stalemate. The psalmists will often express what things feel like to him or use hyperbole. But this is hardly saying that it’s legitimate to take the deep as being the depths of God’s presence. Deep cries out to You. As worshippers, it is absolutely vital that we understand and agree upon what it is that we are singing. Origin of Crying Wolf. Cry definition is - to utter loudly : shout. Let me know if at any point I have misrepresented your arguments or not done justice to the points that you were making. Also, I agree that we need to think about what we’re singing and know what we’re singing. , 4. We’re going to Shout Shout Shout in the river, I find way too often that people just want to shoot down their brothers and sisters in Christ because they don’t agree with something. No, that is the purpose of the sermon and Bible readings. “Deep Cries Out”, I’ve got a river of living water But at the time, it didn't mean a thing. 29 Then fearing that we might fall off [our course] onto rocks, they dropped four anchors from the stern and kept wishing for daybreak to come. Personally I think the critiique is spot-on. So, it can’t really, on his interpretation, be the presence of God. Are you really positioned and prepared to challenge the heart of these writers? However, none of my arguments mean that you are definitely wrong in your criticism of this song, nor are they meant to discredit you, but only to give you something to think about. Pingback: Tune into Truth – PB | Ex Tenebras Lux. The only thing that is required is for my criticism align with God’s Word. So we see a reference to God’s “Severe Dealings”, or a severe attack against peace or “A soul in the horrible pit hearing little else but the calls of law and justice for vengeance…” and the only possible response would be a “CRY OUT TO, CRY OUT TO, YOU JESUS” because he’s the answer…, …and the rest of the song continues with falling into Deeper Waters (Jesus-Living Water) and going after Him… and following Him…. >>>>>> DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO FALL BACK INTO WORDLY WAYS, TO JUMP SHIP I decided to give the writers of the song the benefit of the doubt and I did some research. [Pre-Chorus] 'Cause we're stirring up deep, deep wells. (of a horse) make a loud noise in breathing as a symptom of disease of the larynx. She didn’t know why she was crying, and I didn’t know why she was crying other than the Holy Spirit touched her in some way during a song. I will try and represent the results in a comprehensive and impartial way. See more. We’re walking into deeper waters, going after You. Proverbs 3:5 exhorts us to “Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean NOT on your own understanding.” To infer that someone has been misled when something is so clearly straight out of scripture is extremely irreverent both the the Holy Spirit of God and the person through which He has spoken (or sung). It’s open heavens we’re releasing Whilst I love the idea of yearning for God’s presence as a deer might pant for water (which also happens to be in Psalm 42), that idea simply does not sit comfortably in the context of Psalm 42:7. But this logic is self-defeating because you have made a judgment yourself that the Christians on biblestudytools.com were relying on man’s understanding and were not led by the Spirit when interpreting Psalm 42. We are deserving of Wrath, but because of Jesus… Wow! We cry out, (the answer is always Jesus – You never go wrong with that answer! There is a rivival of faith and love of the One True God starting up in small hubs all over the world. 20 Which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His [own] right hand in the heavenly [places], Thanks for your comment. “Prophetic songs”, in the way that Bethel and many other charismatic groups define them, are not pre-fabricated before they are sung, but are composed spontaneously in the midst of a worship service. I’m far from perfect. >>>>>> ALSO ENCOURAGE/STOP OTHERS FROM JUMPING SHIP, WE ARE ONE BODY – IF ONE SUFFER ALL WILL SUFFER, 33 While they waited until it should become day, Paul entreated them all to take some food, saying, This is the fourteenth day that you have been continually in suspense and on the alert without food, having eaten nothing. Thy severe dealings with me seem to excite all creation to attack me; heaven, and earth, and hell, call to each other, stirring each other up in dreadful conspiracy against my peace. God’s truths are rock solid foundations that cannot be moved. They want to know what they are singing/signing too. (Now don’t misinterpret me; I DEFINITELY think that Jesus is the only way to God, and that there are definitely wrong ways to interpret scripture, and that systematic theology is a valuable and very necessary pursuit.) I interpret our songs for the Deaf in church. – Thomas Horton. I don’t think that I’m superior to anyone else or that I’ve arrived. thank you to Bethel and the stable of stud worshipers and writers. Good on you Sheri! – Psalm 88:7. I have no aspirations to become a big-time critic. I don’t know that you are in the place to be judging this author’s heart and the quality of his relationship with God. 23 Which is His body, the fullness of Him Who fills all in all [for in that body lives the full measure of Him Who makes everything complete, and Who fills everything everywhere with Himself]. We cry out to, we cry out to You, Jesus. Sad Quotes About Love: Finding true love is not difficult but to maintain it is very difficult. I’m open to your criticism and I love the fact that you guys took the time to comment because, if anything, criticism is constructive and clarifies what I believe and where I stand. I believe it is our duty to test anything against the scriptures that is being spoken as truth. “Whilst I’m not about to agree with everything that Bethel does,… if they are truly in the family of God, I can….”, What qualifier are you using to cast a shadow of doubt on the salvation of the people of Bethel… that is what you did, right? We’re going to Dance Dance, Dance Dance in the river, >>>>>> STAY IN THE WORD AND NO HARM WILL COME TO YOU, 35 Having said these words, he took bread and, giving thanks to God before them all, he broke it and began to eat. Deep cries out to, as many times. You're signed out. I wanted to dig “deeper” (see what I did there), so I searched the meaning behind it and came across your post. The primary purpose of our worship songs are to express ourselves to our God. People, like the people at Bible Study Tools, go to great lengths to collate all these references and make them easily accessible. Roar definition, to utter a loud, deep cry or howl, as in excitement, distress, or anger. This also means that there is no room for a worship leader, while singing, to grab his/her Bible Study Tools on his phone and say, “Hang on, let me be sure that this interpretation of this particular scripture lines up with what certain historical Christians have said.” This leads me to my second point, which is that God is multi-faceted, so why can’t interpretation of His Word be the same? >>>>> THROW OFF THE BURDENS WE ARE CARRYING. For you cast me into the deep… All your waves and your billows passed over me. I think you realised that Romans 14:4 could only get you so far and I think that is why you implied that as long as the song author is not fruitless or does not lack love, then he isn’t relying on man’s understanding. I have to say a couple of things to this. If you’re too busy trying to find fault in worship songs then you’re not opening your ears to what God is trying to tell you. A loud, deep sound uttered by a person or crowd, generally as an expression of pain, anger, or approval. I don’t think that honours God at all, even if the song lyrics are theologically impeccable. The bible seems to teach that It is noble to test things (including our songs) to see if they line up with scripture (Acts 17:11). However, when you are having one-on-one time with God where you’re praising him, the focus shouldn’t be on what they’re singing but concentrating on praising God. However, one thing we can all agree on is that worship is ultimately focused on God: his power, his might, his character, etc., and if our utmost focus is not on God, then we are not worshipping God. @extenebrasluxx thank you for your honest thoughts and transparency. However deep down we represses these unexpressed feelings and they hide deep in our unconscious. Why, it is expressed in the verse before: “O God,” says he, “my soul is cast down within me.” “Down,” that is deep into the jaws of distrust and fear. No one seems to have the foggiest idea. You said that the primary purpose of worship songs is to teach us truth. I genuinely liked the song and I have fond memories of singing that song with other Christians at camp. as you … Let’s take a look at six different cat meow sounds and the meanings … I went ahead and ran a search (link below). Therefore, if our lyrics need to be re-worked in order to better square with scripture; who cares? So I believe that, while God’s truth should guide everything we do in church and in our lives, not every single thing in our church services need to have the purpose of teaching us truth. (especially of a vehicle) move at high speed making a loud prolonged sound. By Tara Martinez. It is NOT important to agree on the MEANING behind what we are singing. Of course, the worship portion of the service should not be just fun songs to sing. “The splendid thing. We cry out to You, Jesus! >>>>>> DO NOT STOP TAKING IN THE WORD IN SUSPENSE AND FEAR OF WHAT IS TO COME, 34 So I urge (warn, exhort, encourage, advise) you to take some food [for your safety]—it will give you strength; for not a hair is to perish from the head of any one of you. Many have wondered why there are such powerful results from simply crying out to God, yet […] >>>>>> FOR WHAT IS TO COME, THE WORD IS OUR ONLY STRENGTH AND SAFETY Whilst I know and cherish the doctrine that it is God who is sovereign in the salvation of an individual and whilst I am not saying for a moment that we ought to make our songs palatable to unregenerate seekers, we ought to saturate our songs in truth, truth that is not recondite but easily accessible. Change ), “Deep Cries Out” and the Travesty of Contemporary Worship Songs – DK, http://bethelmusic.com/blog/2011/09/08/message-behind-hopes-anthem, http://www.christiantoday.com/article/hopes.anthem.an.interview.with.william.matthews/28518.htm, http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/treasury-of-david/psalms-42-7.html. Relationships don't get deep to me Never got the whole 'in love' thing And someone can say they love me truly But at the time it didn't mean a thing. – John Bunyan, He complains of “deep calling unto deep.” A soul in the horrible pit hears little else but the calls of law and justice for vengeance, which are always answered again by the accusations of Satan and conscience. It’s lifting up and celebrating Jesus…I’m confused. Some songs can be just fun songs to sing, especially when geared toward kids, teens, and young adults. Try listening to the song again and let me know your thoughts. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I would like to share with you a testimony of what I received over the last 5 days and how it encouraged me and I can only trust our Lord Jesus that He imparts that what you need right at the moment you read this. However, in this case, I believe the worship leader, William Matthews, who wrote this song, didn’t mean for it to be sung “deep cries out to deep” but rather: Deep cries out to, Here Are Our Top English Tips, The Best Articles To Improve Your English Language Usage, The Most Common English Language Questions. And if they don’t line up with Scripture then when we open our ears we’re not hearing what God wants us to hear but what man would have us hear. If I can’t sing along it makes it difficult for me to get into an attitude of worship. ‘In a close-up, one of the beasts lets out a mighty roar, and we see a baby sleeping peacefully inside its mouth.’. Thank you for commenting in a courteous and non-inflammatory manner, something that is a real rarity on the internet. May it be given to you, rather than the nuanced meaning of a petition. Reflecting on God in a way that glorifies Him is great, but once we use His own words we should handle them delicately. There is one positive mention of the verse by Thomas Horton. What on earth are we singing? I happened upon your post in search of the writers heart of this song. “It’s about a broader, systemic problem with poorly crafted worship songs that don’t communicate truth.”, Although the statement is crafted quite well (great writing skills! The adventure of life is to learn. So we cry out to, we cry out to, You Jesus. “Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.” 2 Timothy 4:2. Definition: To send a false alarm for danger; to call for help when it is not needed. But an exciting worship song doesn’t necessarily have to have opaque, inscrutable lyrics. 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